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Jaybird
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    March 06, 2008 at 11:34 AM
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Steve-- What have you seen in your research is the best format for maxing cardio
output and calorie expenditure using the impulse. I've been experimenting a little
with the stabilization program and the anaerobic program with various rep schemes
to see what might give the best workout. I've been using 5 lbs on sled. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Do you have any other programs you could guide me to
that would work anaerobic capacity to facilitate cardio/calorie expenditure. I think your
version in the manual had more of a swimmers slant to it. Is this correct?

Thanks

J-Bird
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    March 06, 2008 at 04:41 PM
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i would like to refer you to page 14 of the clinical training manual...this chart is from a study published in Spine and Sport decades ago.  Data was collected at the Dallas cowboys training camp at valley ranch.   we were studying phasic because it produced the greatest torque (note the 1 st grey column labeled average power per rep...this is ft pounds per second per rep)  there is much to be learned by a study of this chart.   compare sled weight to approximate fatigue to average power. the 5 pound weight produces the highest force and 3.6 reps per second...fatigue in 10 sec (oh, fatigue was considered less that 50% of highest peak force) total workout 15,300 ft pounds.   compare with no weight...16,800 ft pounds in 10 seconds and another 16,800 added to that.  go figure?


as to the fatigue...we regularly trained players to give all they had for 15 seconds with a 30 second rest for three sets.  we regularly say 50 to 60 thousand pounds work and more importantly the rapid loss of power at and around 10 seconds with the 10, 7.5, 5 pound weights that's why we went 15 seconds...wasn't really planned....just developed from observation.   I saw a lot of guys perform with high forces but go to long on the time without fatigue...these guys were proud of themselves...but i knew they weren't giving me their all.  I always made then retest and they always came back with significantly higher forces in the honest tests.  nobody moves 60,000 pounds three feet in 45 seconds in 300 pound clips and not break a sweat. 

This is not the paradigm used by Schroeder or other contemporary coaches today.  High reps and all that stuff is all the rage with IT now.  the only thing   similar it they all use the phasic technique. I preached it for years and no one listened... so now on the marketing side i sell what sells  

what we did not know then was that although tonic produces less peak forces it consumes far more calories and generates far more and a predictable quantity of lactate acid.   your interested in cardio...the only way to clean up the acid is blood flow.

logic would say then that the best anaerobic/cardio workout would be no or 2.5 pounds on the sled go all out tonic until you can't maintain power and STAR.   nutrition is very important here...there is very little if any tissue injury involved with this technology...that does not mean the tissue is not going to morph itself to these new performance demands...so timely recovery consumption.

the all out philosophy will give you a superior 5 second athlete....with long recovery times...all the ball sports less soccer and basketball.   but what about the distance (400meter) athlete? that's where contemporary coaches are almost there...they just needs to pay attention more to STAR and go tonic as their foundation technique and phasic on the appropriate sport specific tasks. 

as to the anaerobic program...while it was designed for the swimmer initially...it was because of the swimmers needs it was designed for...swimmers are very cardio...they work in the water and can only breathe at particular points of performance...for the sprinter anaerobic endurance is HUGE.  Teaching muscles to explode tonic-ally increases their mass temperature allowing for faster contraction rates...an essential when performing in a cold swimming pool.   would these traits help other athletes? Duh! I'd replace that last exercise with something else though. I've seen This exercise program put Olympians on there knees before they finished the work out.  just go 80% of what you "think" your max is.


Maxforce
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    March 07, 2008 at 10:50 AM
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Steve,

I know your company has the Star program manual, but could you see your company down the road designing programs for team sports. I think using IT with teams would develop them neurally. Over training could be eliminated. I would love to see teams only use IT and see what type of results. I really think if you combined this technology with vision training. How fast would reactions be on the field.
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    March 07, 2008 at 12:18 PM
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Look in the past at Randy Whites improved performance his last two years...or Adam Archeleta over the last few.   When Dean Lots was alive he incorporated a lot of vision training with Impulse....half of his clientel were pro NFL.  Hopfully we'll have some things posted later tis yeas about doing floats with our dual system...forces are 300 ~ 600 pounds + per rep. 

Jaybird
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    March 07, 2008 at 05:08 PM
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Steve-- Thanks for all the insightful info. You mention about 400 meter training
in your thoughts. I have a couple of good 400 runners and would like for you to
expand on your thoughts as per proper training using impulse to maximize both
energy and power. As always, thanks!

J-Bird
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    March 10, 2008 at 06:58 PM
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the arena of ahaerobic endurance is in my opinion quite unexplored and therefore veiled with a "world is flat" fog.   so a lot of advice by a lot of coaches is not scientifically valid...in paradigm or practice. if you like confusing but telling evidence read this paper on calorie and lactic acis with regard to anaerobic activity.   http://bmc.ub.uni-potsdam.de/1743-7075-2-14/ . While i felt confirmation from the calorie portion of this work...much thought will i give to the mitochondria portion.

So to answer you with a truly scientificlly based do this or that....well...i can't do that just now.   the rational approach would be high reps for the long time period anaerobic athlete. One thing to understand...power comes from coordination...energy comes from fuel source.  and, the energy source you use in training will not necessarily be the one you use in competition.  High rep IT means high lactic acid and caloric output...greater than in actual competition...and one cannot rely on the o2 mechanism to refuel the cells and remove or transform the lactic acid.   the idea is to train good STAR when heavily fatigued...The high reps do the fatigue while the STAR traind coordination descipline while tired.  Coordination is power.

Fuel is energy.  I do know its all in the blood and where the blood goes.  High protein allows for greater ability to burn fat http://www.news.uiuc.edu/scitips/01/04diet.html  however not much is known about mitochondral respiration which is where 96% of the ATP cell fueling process occurs.  I get stuck on this nutrition thing as i don't know yet what i think is right...i just strongly suspect we're not anywhere near the optimal fueling method....

more later.

    
Maxforce
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    March 11, 2008 at 07:17 AM
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Steve,

The nutrition thing is weird. Should one eat a lot protein or cabs. I have my own theory  on this. But would love to hear from other people. I know for a fact that some trainer's believe that an athlete should take a  pre-supplement before a workout and post supplement after a workout.

Maybe we should ask Schroeder or high profile trainers that are using IT with their athletes. I would love to ask Val Nadsken of Omega Wave about this. He talks about mitochondria a lot.


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    March 11, 2008 at 02:59 PM
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whats your theory?

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    March 13, 2008 at 10:41 AM
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Jaybird,

 

I promised more lately…it’s later.   The goal is to teach your guys to overcome the Cro-Magnon syndrome (CMS) of Lactic Acid burns so lets quit and slow down. This read kind of explains it… http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/sports/johnson_6-24.html  and this to understand the importance of STAR in this training watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTxzaKLCXsc and this (the last section is in slow mo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj9RnxtKrPc&NR=1 Note the hat CG(center of gravity of the chest) is slightly in front of the hip while the traction foot is (ball of the foot) under the hat CG.

 

Presently if you don’t have a dual you won’t be able to train the bilateral scapular movement observable in the last part of that u tube…but you can train scapular mobility to and through fatigue which will help the running gait and defeat CMS.

There are two exercises that you should do in addition to the stabilization program and some slight changes to the stabilization program for the sprinter.

 

Do the entire stabilization program with the knees at 10-5 degrees (bent just enough to know there really bent) and 90-0 to 95-5 ratio weight distribution on the feet. 90% being on the balls of the feet.   Best to do this in socks or bare foot. 

 

The other two exercises… I’ll make a hokey video of… and send email.   They are exclusively to train the scaps to retract and protract while working with the balls of the feet in traction and kick.  Protract and retract for the right scap and then the left.  Each exercise for 5 minutes…a total of 20 minutes exercise with about 2 minute rests between exercises.  When doing the scap specific exercises the knees will be bent past 15 degrees but not more than 30 degrees with 100%weight on the balls of the feet.

 

Keep 7.5 pounds on the sled for both exercise programs …however after the athlete can accommodate 5 minutes of the scap exercises at 7.5 pounds move to 2.5 pounds and pick up the pace.

 

The hour workout it will be around 900 to 1000 calories and all fast twitch… so a good protein rich diet mixed with greens high in all the good metals would be good.   Water for hydration at the break between stabilization and sports specific exercise. As stated the stabilization program first.

 

Work with good STAR… keep up the pace…suck up the CMS feelings and go.   The control of the feelings is where it’s at…and, to me that means fuel.  Fuel is energy.   

 

There are 2 ways to get anaerobic fuel. Metabolize it at the cellular level and digestive processes and metabolize it at the cellular level and digestive processes.  Ops.   Let me put it another way…eat properly and have the right stuff to metabolize or rest longer between sets and still not perform well.  Ops. Ok, just eat right…metabolizable protein calories not carbs and dark dark green veggies.

 

Some exercises for helping stride length should be designed for the future...

 

DanF
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    March 17, 2008 at 09:15 AM
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Steve,
We did have fun floating didnt we? Can you post a you tube or send me an email of what you are explaining re sprints
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    April 26, 2008 at 02:52 PM
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took a while to explain this so read on,

Impulse Training as it Relates to Sprinting. 

 

First off, the Impulse Stabilization program will do worlds of good in increasing sprint speed.  This is because of the balance, coordination, and holistic neural training accomplished by the exercise.  What follows here is an explanation of some of the aspects and forces which must be overcome to run at world record speeds and sprint specific exercises that accommodate that environment.

 

Two things govern speed in running; strike rate – the number of propelling strikes to the ground per second (strikes per second SPS) and the SL length (SL).  One can have a SPS of 6 with a SL of 1.75M and move at 10.5 Meters/ second…compared to a SPS of 4.5 with a SL of 2.5M and move at 11 Meters/ second…which on average would break the current world 100 M record.  I won’t get into splitting hairs about the numbers because of the different phases of sprinting …ie…out of the block, transition to vertical, SL in the turn and SL on the straight. So lets just look and the principles.

 

Obviously a 2.5 meter SL at 11+ meters per second would require considerable flight time between foot falls.  And strike contact time would need to be very short considering each SL consumes less than .2 seconds with the vast amount of time in flight.  Just how short is that strike time?  How is the speed maintained?

 

Let’s analyze the physics of the drill.   During the sprint you really want the hip and chest to stay relatively still in the up and down plane which means the sprinter is limited to from 15 to no more than 20 degrees of  hip extension during the sprint…any more and the hip will move downward towards the ground and energy will be lost to gravity.  Foot fall should occur just ahead of or almost directly below the vertical CG line with traction engaging in about 6ms.  This keeps the CG relatively ahead of planted foot and kind of falling forward during ground contact and allows the sprinter to use a little gravity to help in the acceleration process converting vertical forces to horizontal.   Done wrong this technique will slow you down done right…well.   If the athlete was say 1.85 meters tall his hip ball running height would need to be around .95 meters above the ground….it all means his foot contact on the ground cannot exceed 30 ms to sustain 11+ meters per second…since the neurological traction engagement takes 6ms the power for acceleration propulsion must be expended in less than 24ms…did I say acceleration?   The aerodynamic drag on this sprinter moving at 11mps will be a minimum of 156 Newton’s (35 pounds of drag) and will require over 1600 watts of power to overcome at sea level. Don’t get real running watts confused with treadmill…the treadmill has no aerodynamic  drag. These forces get exponentially greater as the average velocity increases…like 2200 watts to go 11.4 mps with 195 Newton’s drag (44 pounds of drag).

 

The human surface area of a 1.85m tall athlete weighing 79 kg is 2.02m2.  Drag = Cd X ((Air Density X Velocity2 ) divided by 2) X Reference Area.  Cd is the drag coefficient of different shaped bodies…the average human is 1.15.  And, Power to overcome Drag = Drag force X velocity

 

With each flight SL the air will slow the body down.   So to average 11+ meters per second the sprinter must accelerate faster than that speed with each SL.  At 11+ mps air time between strikes is about 190ms.   That means the body is going to fall toward the earth approximately 15 mm (5/8th inch) unless something helps the body maintain altitude in an antigravity manner.  Because the vast majority of sprint time is in flight balance can play a key role in putting the strike of the next step just where it ought to be while maintaining rhythm and flow.

 

So the mission is 3 fold:

A. Accelerate with each footfall to overcome drag

B. Impulse antigravity forces to maintain level CG flight

C. Develop balance at high rpm during flight to maximize leg motion for the next Strike.

 

 

Sports specific Exercises for Sprinting

 

Addressing footfall….this is what makes it all happen…if you don’t start the strike right it won’t end productively. Go to this youtube presentation to see sprint exercises with Impulse Training designed specifically to address the three needs.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LjvH0kGMvE

 

With a ratio greater than 7:1 of flight to ground contact, what is done during flight is critical.   Maintaining a relatively level CG mass will greatly contribute to conserving velocity while preparing for the next accelerating strike.  Enter the inertia of the arms and their vector able capacities.  Train the body to translate rotational forces of the arms to vertical forces at just the right time. The timing and snap of which will be a vertical impulse providing lift …or in this case …preventing gravity from pulling the hip down.  This also sets up the balance for the next strike.  One thing to keep in mind…always do these exercises just barely leaning forward.


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